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Poster: Ganbachi Date: Jul 31, 2009 6:37am
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Lone really alone Ranger

I just did a search of the forums for Lone Ranger references and couldn't find one stating the series was in copyright. If you can find it, could you post a link.

I think the search engine is playing up anyway because yesterday when I searched for Lone Ranger in Movies, 'Enter the Lone Ranger' did not come up, only a promo for the series. I had to browse by keyword to find it.

I'd be surprised if it was copyright just because of the huge number of Lone Ranger DVD's on amazon from the cheapest of companies. In the UK, 'Classic Entertainment' - a company that has only released PD titles - have done a 4 episode disc alongside their Lucy Show, Beverly Hillbillies and Bonanza dvd's.

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Poster: quigs Date: Jul 31, 2009 12:20pm
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Lone really alone Ranger

Alright, I will see what I can do. I haven't had too much luck with uploading except for that fluke of luck with The Frozen Master and that was taken down.

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Poster: cosmicola Date: Jul 31, 2009 1:00pm
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Lone really alone Ranger

The Lone Ranger character may be trademarked, whether or not the films are PD. A wild guess, but wasn't some old Shadow material (movies or TV) taken down for that reason?

Just a thought.



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Poster: Ganbachi Date: Jul 31, 2009 1:45pm
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Lone really alone Ranger

They were but since then Mill Creek have released "The Shadow" pilot and "The Invisible Avenger" (Second attempt by James Wong Howe) on their '150 Classic Sci-fi TV episodes' box set without (as far as I know) any comeback. The Lone Ranger has had a lot of cheap dvd releases and the old comics are PD so they aren't being too careful with protecting their character.

I know King Features are protective of Flash Gordon to the point of blocking fan-films and fiction (which even Marvel and DC don't do with their characters) but he's up here on the archive.

I don't want to get IA in trouble and maybe next paycheck I'll just buy some Lone Ranger but it seems a bit mad. If they were that bothered why didn't they just renew the copyright when they had the chance?

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Poster: quigs Date: Jul 31, 2009 3:05pm
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Lone really alone Ranger

I don't really know. All I do is I'm trying to upload these shows for you and we'll see how it turns out. I am using the new beta share thingy. Fingers crossed and hope for the best.
Well,it's been two hours since my last message. I hope the uploads went through.

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Poster: Ganbachi Date: Aug 1, 2009 12:31am
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Lone really alone Ranger

The fact that 'Enter the Lone Ranger' has been up here for a long time without any legal comeback is surely a good sign. It seems many of these companies are just bullying the public with legal loopholes. As I said before, if they are so precious about their trademarks they should have re-registered when they had the opportunity. They failed to, have seen other people using their product entirely legally and are now going "we want money for that, you can't use them" and getting their lawyers to find a way of stopping them. It's school playground antics. Why not just hold their hands up and say "our mistake", move on and make new product with their characters. It's not as if we're making a new Lone Ranger series to be broadcast worldwide - just fans legally sharing what is in the public domain.

This could move on to an anti-capitalism rant so I'll make this my last word on the subject before you all just think me mad!!!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffVideo-Cellar Date: Aug 1, 2009 6:11am
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Lone really alone Ranger

The first 17 eps of The Lone Ranger are PD (registered as published works and not renewed). The Eps are:

1.1. Enter the Lone Ranger (15 Sep 49)
1.2. The Lone Ranger Fights On (22 Sep 49)
1.3. The Lone Ranger Triumphs (19 Sep 49)
1.4. Legion of Old Timers (6 Oct 49)
1.5. Rustlers' Hideout (13 Oct 49)
1.6. War Horse (20 Oct 49)
1.7. Pete and Pedro (27 Oct 49)
1.8. The Renegades (3 Nov 49)
1.9. The Tenderfeet (10 Nov 49)
1.10. High Heels (17 Nov 49)
1.11. Six Gun's Legacy (24 Nov 49)
1.12. The Return of the Convict (1 Dec 49)
1.13. Finders Keepers (8 Dec 49)
1.14 The Masked Rider (15 Dec 49)
1.15 Old Joe's Sister (22 Dec 49)
1.16 Cannonball McKay (29 Dec 49)
1.17 A Message from Abe (5 Jan 50)

All contained 1949 copyright notices but were registered in 1950. When the renewals came up in 77/78 the ones mark 1949 were too late because of the copyright period starting at date in notice.

The character is trademarked. I believe the TM is owned by the Entertainment Rights/Classic Media company. A trademark's purpose is really only to protect a commercial brand. It is legal to use a trademark for descriptive purposes (eg to say what is on a DVD) provided that the general public is not confused as to the origin of the item. Trademarks cannot be used for extended protection of a public domain work. If you include something like:
"This original television program is a Public Domain product and the uploader is not licensed, authorised or affiliated in any way with the originating studios, producers or original copyright or trademark owners."
and name the Uploads
"EPISODE TITLE Starring Clayton Moore as The Lone Ranger"
Both you and IA are covered because you haven't confused anyone about the origin and you have only used the trademark in a descriptive sentence.

This post was modified by Video-Cellar on 2009-08-01 13:11:46

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffLum Edwards Date: Jul 31, 2009 5:10pm
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Lone really alone Ranger

*** The Lone Ranger character may be trademarked, whether or not the films are PD. A wild guess, but wasn't some old Shadow material (movies or TV) taken down for that reason? ***

Yes Thats a problem, The Shadow is very well guarded. I truly believe there are people whos sole job is looking for ?illegal? Shadow postings. I have shied away from The Lone Ranger simply because it is too unclear the status trademarks play in whether an item is PD or not. I know that superman is trademarked BUT there are alot of PD superman cartoons here. how does that work? The Lone ranger got removed from the otr group so I wouldnt hold hope on the tv series but I could be wildly wrong. I just dont know enough.

As an aside here Lum and Abner is a valid Trademark. I had to ask for permission ( after the owner caught me ) to use it for my website as long as I let it be known that it is a valid trademark.

Mike D.

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Poster: quigs Date: Jul 31, 2009 7:29pm
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Lone really alone Ranger

Ganbachi, as Mike D. says it's kinda unsteady about the Ranger. I tried to upload, I haven't heard back yet or not if it went through.

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Poster: quigs Date: Jul 31, 2009 1:10pm
Forum: classic_tv Subject: Re: Lone really alone Ranger

maybe, I'm not sure.